MN 4-H Dog PDC Minutes
Saturday, November 6, 1999 ~ University
of Minnesota ~ St. Paul Campus
NW: Jeff McMaines, Jessica Sedivy, Wally Steinhoff
C: Erin Adley
SW: Cathy Steinmetz, Nick Steinmetz
SE: Kelly Edgar, Owen Holmseth, Cherrye Tagatz, Rhonda
NW: Jennifer Erickson, Karen Loken
NE: Elizabeth, Chapman, Pat Chapman, Joseph Dolan, Regina
C: Kelly Hanson, Karl Reimer
SW: Loretta Eichmann, Melanie Pamp
SE: Marlene Scott
Extension Educators Present: Laurie Magnus,
Extension Educators Absent: Renee Hink-Ferrington
Center Staff Present: Tammy Lorch, Brad
Guests Present: Karl Oestrich, Jon Hjelm,
Sandra Sedivy, Ron Geske, Anita Geske, Chelsey Knoll, Marlene Keller, Dorthy
Brouwers, Nancy Holmseth, Donna Sonnek, Mary Ellen Steinhoff, Sandy McMaines,
Ryan McMaines, Mackenzie McMaines, Emily Wagner, Jenifer Brouwers
The meeting was called to order by Vice Chair, Cherrye
Tagatz at 10:45 a.m. Everyone present introduced themselves. The
districts met in caucus to discuss concerns.
NW: - Concerns addressed on agenda.
NE - no one in attendance.
C - No concerns.
SW - Need clarification on the number of obedience trainings
that they need to attend in order to attend regionals in agility.
Concern that Cloverbuds will not be able to train their dogs independently.
SE - Ring protocol and separating agility and obedience/showmanship
at the State Show.
M/S/C (Laurie/Al) to accept the minutes of the
June 11, 1999 meeting as printed.
A written report was given with an ending balance in
the account at $6,501.27. The complete report is attached to these minutes.
All Regional Dog Shows made a profit: Southern Regional $1,340.20;
Central Regional $1,724.38; and Northern Regional $1,377.63.
Appointment of New Members
Brad Rugg from the Center for 4-H Youth Development highlighted
1. this is a noncompetitive participation only program. Cloverbuds
may only earn participation ribbons, not champions, blues,
Congratulated the committee on the growth of this committee
The PDC used to have a balance of $11,000, it is now less
Registration fees were increased, judges fees were looked
at. A well thought out judges fee scale has been established.
Since this year did show profit, re-visit the judges fee
structure. Maybe appoint a subcommittee to look at this. Brad
recommended Lucille Belch be the senior judges who would work with this.
Requests from EE looking at the judges for county fair judges:
There are not enough Certified judges on "the list".
Increase the number of certified judges by holding several
judges trainings .(not certifications clinics)in different locations and
times throughout the coming year
Continue to protect the integrity of the dog project.
There are good people out there who don't want to be certified
to judge at Regionals & State, but are good with kids and could be
good with county fair shows. A list needs to be started.
Super Session - needs a committee of people to do this -
not one person.
Agility at the state show - growing pains at the state show
- look at a second day to support that show.
Cloverbuds - K-2 and possibly 3rd grade. The Center
for 4-H Youth Development pulled together a Cloverbud Committee to establish
statewide guidelines for Cloverbuds. This resulted in a new statewide
"Cloverbud Policy" that takes effect this year. Two important highlights
for the dog project are:
2. regarding animals/livestock - An adult or older junior leader
must have control of the animal. This means that in the show ring,
the parent or junior leader must be have direct hold of the animal.
Counties are expected to work with this policy. Safety is the
A resulting conversation among committee members about
what the new Cloverbud Policy means for the dog project occurred.
The dog project is different from other livestock projects like beef or
rabbit in that with those projects it is more feasible for the parent or
junior leader to lead or hold the animal in the show ring. All aspects
of a dog show (agility, obedience, and showmanship) require training of
a skill and there are major issues around parents training the dog.
The group agreed that we would uphold this new Cloverbud Policy by expecting
counties to not allow Cloverbuds to participate in dog training and shows
(agility, obedience, and/or showmanship), but encourage counties to develop
ways for Cloverbuds to explore the dog project and then participate in
the fair with some kind of dog related exhibit (poster, display, notebook,
Standing Committee Reports
Agility - Owen & Cathy
Finance - Karl
Separate day for the obedience/showmanship and agility for
the state show. The regional would be held in the morning and the
state would be held in the afternoon. The committee would have games
set up for those who are eliminated from the competition. This is
due to the conflicts of scheduling.
It was brought up that this would eliminate some kids from
showing if it were to be taken from the regional. More discussion
will be done before a motion is made.
No report was given. (Karl Reimer was not present.)
Judges Certification - Jeff & Donna
The task force appointed at the last meeting brought
the following proposal to the meeting:
1. Certify Judges - Establish requirements and carry out
procedures for certification.
Purpose of the Judges Certification Committee
2. Train - Present to all potential and provisional judges
training for certification.
3. Maintain Judges List - Create and maintain a list of all
a. Agility, Obedience, and Showmanship
b. Provisional, Certified, Senior, and Master
M/S/C (Donna/Jeff) to approve the Purpose of the Judges
Four categories of judges were defined:
M/S/C (Cathy/Wally) to accept the categories of judges as
Provisional - In the process of being certified, but not
Certified - Have met the requirements to become certified.
May be certified in any area (Example: Agility only, Obedience only,
Showmanship only, Agility & Obedience, Agility & Showmanship, Obedience
& Showmanship, or Agility, Obedience, & Showmanship).
Senior - Have been certified for five years and have judged
a minimum of 25 shows (at the county, regional, and/or state level) in
agility, obedience, and/or showmanship (not 25 of each).
Master - A senior judge who is certified in all three areas
with a minimum of five shows (at the county, regional, and/or state level)
judged in each area.
a. three judges certified at any level,
Members of the Judges Certification Committee will be selected
by the PDC evaluating their qualifications and their interest in this committee
- apply through application which will be developed.
The Judges Committee would be made-up of a minimum of:
b. three Senior (and/or Master) Judges, and
c. one representative from the PDC.
The terms for the committee members would be three year staggered
The committee must represent each region of Minnesota with
a minimum of one person from each the Northern, Central, and Southern Regional
The committee must represent all current aspects of the dog
project with a minimum of one judge representing agility, one judge representing
obedience, and one judge representing showmanship.
M/S/C (Donna/Jeff) to approve of the representation /membership
of the committee.
M/S/C (Rhonda/Nick) to amend the committee structure
by adding three volunteers (do not have to be members of the State Dog
PDC) to the membership of the committee.
M/S/C (Nick/Jessica) to amend the committee membership
to include two youth.
Cherrye, PDC Vice-Chair, appointed a Judges Certification
Committee. Members are:
M/S/C (Cathy/Nick) to accept the Judges Certification Committee
membership as listed above.
Certified Judges - Dorothy Brouwers, Maureen Martin, Wally
Senior Judges -Leona Hellesvig, Jeff McMaines, Donna Sonnek
Volunteers - Kelly Edgar, Karl Oestrich, Rhonda Weis
Youth Members - Jenifer Brouwers, Owen Holmseth
Minimum of one per year, once procedures have been established.
Meetings date(s) will be announced at the State PDC meeting prior to the
date of the committee meeting. Agenda items for the meeting may be
submitted to the committee 30 days in advance. Additional meetings
as needed and can be via teleconferencing, e-mail, or in person.
If in person anyone would be allowed to attend the meetings as a 'silent
observer' and at the end of the meeting ask questions.
a. two members from the Judges Certification Committee,
This would be a separate committee to establish criteria
for any complaints made by an exhibitor regarding a judge. The committee
b. one Judge At Large,
c. and one State PDC member.
The Judge in question should also be represented in person
or by letter.
State and Regional Show Judges:
Obedience/Showmanship - Karen
In regard to the above mentioned purpose of the Judges
Certification Committee, we suggest the respective Show Committees select
judges for Regional and State shows in consultation with the Center for
4-H Youth Development.
No report was given. (Karen Loken was not present.)
Jessica addressed the issue of the Veterans Class.
It was specifically designed at the Graduate Novice level and not Novice
(as in AKC). The purpose of the class is for the 4-H'er and dog who
have progressed thru dog training and competition for several years and
then when they complete Graduate Novice the dog may be too old/physically
unable to advance to the jumping that is required in Pre Open, Open, Graduate
Open, and Utility. This is why a dog in Veterans is prohibited from
participating in Agility, but is encouraged to participate in showmanship.
This class (Veterans) allows the 4-H'er with only one dog the ability to
continue with the dog project. Jessica supports combining Veterans
into one class at the Regional & State Shows because at this time there
are not enough participants to break it into Junior and Senior divisions
(like Pre Open, Open, Graduate Open, and Utility).
Show - Cherrye
No report. (Committee has not met.)
Dale Blyth, Director of the Center for 4-H Youth Development,
briefly joined the group. He shared some ideas that are developing
to enhance the image of 4-H.
Supersession - Jeff
June 16-18 in Barnsville. Jeff is looking for help
in Agility. Dorothy Brouwers volunteered to help with Agility.
Jeff will have all information and registration information to Tammy at
the 4-H Center by February 15. Tammy will then send information to
all county extension offices and the list of county dog project contacts
that she has.
State Fair Dog Project Activities/Demonstrations
- Dorothy Brouwers
Freeborn County ended up doing the three days -17 kids
and 23 dogs participated. Challenges were no outside space was available
and the inside space was small. Parking was also a problem, especially
getting through the barricades to unload at the 4-H building. Agility
was a big hit as were the demonstrations on scent discrimination &
making treats to teach tricks. Dorothy is willing to coordinate next
year only if the other districts each participate in a day. Also,
scheduling needs to be coordinated to eliminate competition with other
events in the building. Marlene Keller and Ron & Anita Geske
volunteered to help next year.
Regional Show Reports
Tammy developed Judges Contracts & Vouchers that were
used and simplified the process of hiring and paying judges. Tammy and
Laurie developed a Financial Report & Wrap Up Checklist that greatly
helped in the processing of state show entries.
South - Things went very well. There were 146 exhibitors
with a total of 317 entries.
Central - A good but long day. There were 250 exhibitors
with a total of 541 entries. Gave out the ribbons at the end of each
class and will do again. Nice facility.
North - Things went well. Had to add a judge and another
building the week before the show. There were 178 exhibitors with
a total of 341 entries. Will be doing it again next year at the fairgrounds
State Show Report - Cherrye
The show went very well. There were 241 exhibitors
with a total of 368 entries. Results were sent to every county extension
office the week after the show. For next year, it was suggested that
agility move to Friday or Sunday and having the regional competition in
the morning and the state competition in the afternoon. There would
be games having during the down time for the participants. Then it
was suggested to eliminate the regional show part allow all youth to compete
at the state level and average the score of two runs.
M/S/C (Rhonda/Kelly) to move agility at the State Show
to Sunday and no have no Regional competition for agility in 2000 and to
revisit this decision for 2001.
2000 Looking & Planning Ahead
State Project Bowl will be held April 8, 2000 at the
St. Paul Campus. Marlene Scott and Kelly Edgar are coordinating.
Kelly is writing questions. Regional Contests are: Wright County
- March 4, Norman County - March 11, Steele County - March 18, and Pope
County - March 25.
Rhonda suggested that the showmanship judges take their
questions from the dog bowl references and that this be written in the
guidelines and website.
Northern will be hosted by Beltrami County, but needs to
find a host for 2001.
Central will be hosted by Anoka County, but needs to find
a host for 2001.
Southern will be hosted by Freeborn County. They will
also host 2001.
Dog Related Exhibit
Laurie felt that there is not the time at the State Show
to judge a Dog Project Educational Exhibit and asked Brad why it is not
a state fair project. Brad agreed to include the project as a state
fair exhibit in 2000. Chesley Knoll, Marlene Keller, Jon Hjelm, and
Laurie volunteered to be on a conference call to determine criterea for
Youth & Adult Leader Awards
We are trying to compile a list of past winners of the
Outstanding Youth Leader and Outstanding Adult Leader awards. The
beginning of such a list was printed in the 1999 State Show Catalog.
If you know of names that are missing, please forward them to Tammy at
the 4-H Center.
Faribault county mats came back damaged from the state
show. A person from the Central District is responsible for
coordinating tear down and will find volunteers to carefully take down
The web page has not been updated lately. Tammy
will work on it again after the move. Her goal is to get the new
dog vaccination certificate up so that it can be downloaded from the site.
Hopefully the agility rules can be put up there, too. She will also
work on developing the PDC part of it. The address is:
Appointment of New Members
Brad explained that the nomination process requires the
recommendation and signature of the Extension Educator on the application.
Brad also recommended this once, since there is only one case where two
people applied from the same district and there is only one vacancy in
that district, that the person who is not elected be allowed to serve in
another district's vacancy until the time when that other district fills
M/S/C (Cathy/Jessica) to accept Brad's recommendations
in regard to full districts.
Unopposed applications received from:
M/S/C (Laurie/Rhonda) to accept the applications of the people
listed because there are no other applications for those vacancies.
SE - Angela Aanas- LeSueur, youth term ending 2001
C - Marlene Keller - Anoka County, term ending 2001
C - Kelly Strei - Washington County, term ending 2002
NW - Karl Oestrick- Beltrami County, term ending 2002
SW - Melanie Pamp - Lyon County, term ending 2002
SE had two adult applications received and there is only
one vacancy. A paper ballot vote was taken.
was elected and will fill SE 2002
will fill the vacant SW unexpired term which ends in 2000
Al Rassmussen, Extension Educator will be resigning from
the Committee. Jon Hjelm, Extension Educator from Beltrami County,
was appointed to the vacant Extension Educator spot.
Election of Officers
Election of officers was held with the following results:
2000 Meeting Dates
Meeting Dates for 2000
Copies of the recent (Summer 1999) AKC Jr. News were
circulated. Jessica Sedivy, (a MN 4-H graduate and member of our
dog PDC) was listed as a 1999 AKC Juniors Scholarship Winner. The
AKC Juniors Scholarship is based on academic record, involvement with the
fancy, and financial need. 34 scholarships of $750 were awarded nationally.
The award reflected Jessica's 11 year involvement in the sport of dogs,
as well as her academic pursuits in the fields of Biology/Environmental
Studies at Concordia College, Moorhead, MN.
M/S/C (Rhonda/Nick) to adjourn the meeting. Meeting
adjourned at 5:00 p.m.
Laurie Magnus, Secretary