MN 4-H Dog PDC Minutes
Saturday, September 21, 2002 ~ 4-H Building
- Minnesota State Fairgrounds
Members Present
NW: Tess DeBlieck, Tish Jensen, Karl Oestreich, Libertie
Smith
NE: none
C: Leona Hellesvig, Marlene Keller, Karl Reimer, Brenden
Roman
SW: Melanie Pamp, Cathy Steinmetz, Jeff Steinmetz
SE: Kelly (Edgar) Gentz, Emily Wagner, Rhonda Weis
Members Absent
NW: MacKenzie McMaines
NE: Tana & Vicky Schmalenberg
C: Jason Prasch
SW: none
SE: Vanessa Magnus, Cherrye Tagatz
Extension Educators Present: Jon Hjelm, Laurie
Magnus
Extension Educators Absent: none
Center Staff Present: Tammy Lorch and Brad
Rugg
Guests Present: Emily Goenner, Terri Goenner,
Shilo Roman, Rosemary Smith, Shari Wagner, Kirsten Weis, Jack Westcott
The meeting was called to order at 8:47 p.m. by PDC chair,
Cathy Steinmetz. Everyone introduced themselves.
Members and guests were asked to present issues or comments
regarding the rule changes proposed at the June 2002 PDC meeting. A list
was generated and then each item was discussed further.
Issues/Comments List:
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Pre-Beginner - many issues presented
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Previous Training rule
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Points lost listed on back of scoresheet
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Graduate Novice - change long sits and downs
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Fouling in the Ring - take more points off
1. Veterans Class (Page 8)
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Concerned with drop on recall for older dogs. AKC has
this class at the Novice level.
M/S/C (Karl O./Tish) to change Veterans from Graduate Novice
to the Novice level.
2. Graduate Novice, Pre-Open, Graduate Open, and Pre-Utility
Classes
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Suggested allowing 4-Hers to repeat for 2003 due to rule
changes and exercise changes within these classes.
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Also allow those who did not receive a blue in Utility in
2002 to drop to Pre-Utility in 2003 due to exercise changes.
M/S/C (Leona/Melanie) to allow 4-H'ers in Graduate Novice,
Pre-Open, Graduate Open, and Pre-Utility in 2002 to remain in the same
class for 2003 if they choose. Also those in Utility in 2002 are
allowed to drop to Pre-Utility in 2003 if they did not receive a blue ribbon.
3. Graduate Open Class - Retrieve for Scent Articles
(Pages 7 & 24)
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Suggested to drop retrieves with scent articles
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Suggested Dumbbell Recall for leather article and Dumbbell
Recall for metal article
M/S/C (Karl R./Tish) to modify the retrieve for scent articles
exercise in the Graduate Open class. The exercises will now be a
Retrieve on Flat with the articles placed, not thrown. The 4-Her
will scent the article and the judge will place the article. The
dog will face the article during the entire exercise. This will be
done twice: once with a leather article and once with a metal article.
4. Leashes/Leads (Page 2)
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There was much discussion if there should be a penalty for
having a leash shorter than six feet.
M/S/C (Rhonda/Melanie) to keep the rule as written in the
proposed rule book presented at the June 2002 PDC meeting.
5. Earning Obedience Titles Outside of 4-H (Page 1)
M/S/C (Marlene/Karl O.) to drop the 4th bullet on page
one under "Earning Obedience Titles Outside of 4-H."
M/S/C (Marlene/Karl O.) to reword the 3rd bullet on page
one, it should read, "If a completed title disqualifies a dog from competing
in a 4-H class, the completed title cannot be earned before May 15th of
that year." If the title is completed after May 15th of that year
the 4-Her may remain in the same class.
6. Dogs That Have Previously Been Trained (Page 1)
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Some discussion, decided to leave as proposed at the June
2002 PDC meeting.
7. Point System
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Discussed points section listed on back of scoresheets
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Discussed presented range of points deducted for each fault
M/S/C (Jeff/Liberty) to leave points off system as proposed
at the June 2002 PDC meeting.
8. Pre-Beginner Class (Page 6)
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Discussion related to dropping the Recall and adding a Come-For
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Suggested a sit exam rather than a stand for exam
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Suggested dropping the Figure 8
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Commented that it would be difficult to enforce the 6 foot
leash rule
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Suggested reducing the long sit to 30 seconds and long down
to 1 minute
M/S/C (Jon/Karl O.) to drop the Pre-Beginner class from the
printing.
The Obedience/Showmanship committee should review and
make a new proposal for this class at a later date.
9. Fouling the Ring (Page 4)
M/S/C (Tish/Melanie) to change the point deduction from
5-10 points to 25 points for any dog fouling the ring.
10. Graduate Novice Long Sit/Down
M/S/F (Marlene/Tish) to change the long sit to 1 minute
out of sight and long down to 3 minutes out of sight for Graduate Novice.
This motion was dropped.
M/S/C (Rhonda/Marlene) to leave the Graduate Novice long
sit and long down as proposed in the rules at the June 2002 PDC meeting.
11. Leaving the Ring
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Suggested increasing the point deduction - Decided to leave
as is written
12. Beginner A
M/S/C (Marlene/Melanie) to make the Heel on Leash &
Figure 8 worth 40 points and the Stand for Examination worth 30 points
for Beginner A, Beginner B, Graduate Beginner, Brace, and 4-Dog Team.
M/S/C (Karl O./Rhonda) to accept the rules as amended.
There was a written ballot vote that passed 15-1.
M/S/C (Rhonda/Jeff) to adjourn the meeting at 10:23 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kelly Edgar, Secretary
